
"What is defeat of Russia? If Russia comes ever close to a defeat, that would mean that Russia now would use nuclear weapons and Europe would be finished physically, he warned. So I mean, it's simply impossible even to think about it, but they have been talking because they need a war to rationalize their stay in power, to rationalize their existence."
"Karagnov continued, Everybody in the world now laughs at Europe, which used to be, by the way, one of the core centers of world power. Now it's a joke. And of course, I am not speaking of all Europe. We know that there are decent Europeans. There are smart Europeans. Carlson questioned, When you say everyone knows that the Russian government, if pressed, would use nuclear weapons against Europe, do you mean that, is my question,"
Sergey Karaganov warned that a near-defeat of Russia would trigger Russian use of nuclear weapons and physically destroy Europe. He described the idea of a Russian defeat by Europe as a fantastic illusion and blamed such talk on European leaders' intellectual incapacity. He said European elites need war to rationalize their hold on power and that Europe has become a laughingstock that once was a core center of world power. Karaganov argued that European education and meritocratic standards have declined since 1968 and urged bringing Europe to its senses, preferably without nuclear weapons.
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